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Call Center

When IVR Turns Into the Blind Canyon With No Way Out

Contributor: Brooks Mitchell, PhD
Posted: 02/23/2010  12:21:00 PM EST

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Tags: people management | call center | technology | call center technology | ivr | interactive voice response | self-service | automation | contact center | snowfly | University of Wyoming | Brooks Mitchell | snowfly incentives


Let me begin this column by stipulating that I am 66 years old and am fully aware that I have failed to grasp the true significance of much of today’s call center technology, including call center self-service customer service systems.

In spite of my apprehension about these call center systems, I honestly understand, however, why there is a need for it. When technology can replace call center representatives effectively ("effectively" is the key word) there is an increase in our national productivity and our economy grows. However, I just get nervous around some systems, which I suspect are technology in search of a solution. I admit it.

Technology: A Blessing Or A Curse?

Let me tell you a story. A few weeks ago I was returning from a long trip to Mexico. It was a grueling trip and I was tired. I was traveling with a friend, and to make the trip from the airport to home easier, I had a limo waiting for us. The plan was simple: I would drop my friend off in south Denver and than relax on the hour ride to my home in Fort Collins. As soon as we got into the limo, I was ready to go. But there was an irritating delay because the driver was sitting there fussing with his new GPS system. He asked my friend for his exact address and was having difficulty entering it. I was obviously very annoyed as I chided the driver, “What is this all about? Do you think my friend doesn’t know how to find his home? Come on, man, give me a break. Just follow his instructions.” The driver was very hurt. He wanted to use the GPS and have the computerized voice tell him exactly where to turn. A clear misuse of technology.

Tangling Call Center Technology

I have had similar issues with my associates at Snowfly, Inc. I’m old-fashioned. I still have all my phone numbers printed out and inserted into my paper-and-pencil appointment book that I bought at Office Depot. Occasionally, I’ll ask one of my guys for a phone number and they’ll turn on their little Blackberry and start twisting around and eventually give me the number. If it’s in the sunlight, it’s even more difficult. I always taunt them when this happens. “Hey, guys, I could have opened my appointment book and had that number 30 seconds quicker than you.” Technology is not always faster!

So back to the subject of call center self-serve systems, I’m now convinced this call center technology is here to stay and more customers accept them than do not. But to soothe my angst, here are a few thoughts.

  1. Please don’t try to convince me this is a good deal to use the automated statement, “Thank you for calling XYZ company. To better serve you, we have automated this process.” That is a lot of crap and is an insult to my intelligence. You are using call center technology to make your system more in line with your needs, not mine. Why don’t you just say something like: “I hope you will take the time to use our automated self-service system. If at any point in time this becomes cumbersome, please press 0 and a live operator will talk to you.”
  2. I like it when I have music when I am put on hold. At least I know that I have not been disconnected. I also like it when people tell me how long I am going to have to be on hold. I think it would be a very good idea for people to tell me at the beginning of the message if I’m going to need things like a credit card, Social Security number, an account number, etc. This saves me the chest pains that instantly occur when I finally get to talk with a live operator and discover my account number is in another location.
  3. I wish I had a little reinforcement along the way. If I press the first button correctly, It would be nice to hear someone say “Thank you. You’ve done very well. Now you’re on to the next step.” It makes me feel good to know I have done something right to this point.
  4. I would like some kind a little reward for making it completely through the system. How about giving me a raffle tickets, frequent flyer points or something that would make me more likely to do this again. 


These procedures could go a long way toward making the self-service situation a little more palatable to people of my baby boomer generation.

Avoid the Blind Canyon With No Way Out

Above all, please design your self-service system so that it can never put me in a blind canyon with no way out. When this happens, I just go nuts and want to hurt somebody. I get the same feeling when I put money into a broken vending machine that won’t give my money back. To me there is no worse emotion than the helpless sensation of being terminally screwed by “nonhuman” objects or systems.

Now, if you are really invested into call center self-service technology and are convinced it is the right solution for your call center, I have a challenge. Why don’t you survey your user/customers and get a baseline of their perception of the call center process and their corresponding satisfaction. This customer data could be compared to the same information for those users of the “live” option. Armed with this information, you could have “real” call center data with which to make informed decisions about your call center self-service system. Come on, I dare you, do it! Send me the data and I will feature your company in a future column.

Now, I have an honest self assessment about my feelings concerning call center self-service systems. When I talk to a live call center representative, I feel like I have a chance to use my considerable charm to get what I want. You just can’t do that with an automated system.




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ronniecjones 02/25/2010 12:14:51 PM EST

The best IVR I have seen implemented was to cover 7 languages in South East Asia. Each country has a local number to call which routes to a single location. The local phone number allowed us to identify the country and thus the local language. We had just launched and had not recorded all the IVR options in the local languages (intention was 4 across / up to 5 deep - in 7 languages!) so we started with just a "Thank you for calling XYZ company, please press 1 for or 2 for English" then calls where routed to the next available agent who could speak that language. Any routing past there was done the old fashioned way with a warm hand off of the transfering agent on the line with the customers to the recieving Tech. The system was writting up in most of the regional newspapers as a "how it should be done" and we recieved so many compliments from customers we left the IVR in it's version 0.5 state.
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bdowdy 02/25/2010 11:04:12 AM EST

Right on, Dr. Mitchell! Inappropriate implementation of IVR has been the subject of my rants lately as well -- although I will take issue with one of your points: CORRECTLY implemented IVR actually does make things better for the customer, and so I believe that stating the benefit while the customer is holding helps tell them / us what's going on. That is, if by telling the routing software that I'm calling in to check on an existing order, I can be routed to one of the agents who's actually connected to that system and trained to answer my question, rather than to "Inbound City" where thousands of agents can take my NEW order but have no access to my order history. This can shorten wait times and reduce transfers, which will make my customer experience a bit happier. That's IF the IVR system isn't too complex, doesn't have too many such "branches" and actually connects me to an agent who can help me after I've correctly input my one or two answers. I'll also add a beef: What about these systems where I'm asked to input my account number, or my cell phone number, or some identifier -- and THEN the agent has to ask for it again???? Where did that information go -- and if not to the agent or their system, then why the heck did I have to input it in the first place? Thanks as always for a thought-provoking column.
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rcowen 02/25/2010 10:25:28 AM EST

There is a “standard” for IVR’s that was developed by Paul English; it’s called GetHuman (www.gethuman.com). The web site lists how to get around IVRs at most companies and the “GetHuman standards” that all IVR’s should meet. Paul is probably the best human-interface guy I’ve seen. He did the interface for Kayak among others. He should speak at all of the contact center conferences. Here’s a revenue opportunity. Buy old IVR’s (basically a PC with a few Dialogic boards) and open a small store at an airport with them placed on mats with a sledge hammer near-by. Play the typical IVR recordings from various airlines’ on speakers and offer 5 minutes with an IVR & sledgehammer for $10. Have a coat rack, a place to park your roll-aboard, stand back and watch the pieces fly. It will generate even more revenue if you offer to share the revenue with a charity.
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JWinney 02/24/2010 6:45:03 PM EST

No argument from me regarding your IVR experiences. You are completely correct. There are ways though DR Brooks to achieve all and more than you suggest, and still enable organisations to use an IVR to contain their costs. Broadly, it’s called common sense, specifically, it directly relates to using the findings of the many studies of human cognitive behaviour and human/machine interactivity (anthropomorphism), to design an IVR that doesn’t annoy the very people they are designed to serve. Unfortunately, most IVR designers in the first place are rarely trained in this type of discipline so they don’t know the problems they are creating. If that’s not scary enough, many organisations that deploy the technology are all too often focussed so much on a design that fits their internal structure rather than their customers' needs, that they don’t realise the deployment hasn’t achieved the often lofty goals of self service for all and a fantastic experience for their customers anyway. In fact, most don’t even know that they are upsetting their customers because they simply never call their own phone number themselves. Thankfully, there are a number of organisations around the world such as Sterling Audits and EIG in the USA, and practitioners such as myself, who do have the skills to correct these flaws and improve the outcomes. The challenge for those of us frustrated by this insanity is to convince the offending organisations that they do indeed have a problem, that it is detrimental to their customer’s opinion of, and experience with them, and is adversely impacting their profits. That’s right, the very technology implemented to save money is often costing money through customer churn from poor experiences, and the need to increase live agent numbers to handle the calls that the poorly designed IVR was meant to contain. And yes, I’m just as frustrated as you Dr Brooks. In the spirit of the debate let’s challenge the readers to call their own IVRs, record the entire process, including the often interminable wait for a live agent to answer the call, and pass a copy of the recording around to their Senior Management, including, and most importantly the CEO, so he or she can play it in the car on the way home. Anyone up for the challenge….perhaps you’d like to post a copy of the recording on this blog for a public critique – let’s face it, it’s out there for public critique anyway…. Go on, see if you measure up. You may be surprised.
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